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ElandPrincess's avatar

“It all betrays pathological thinking on matters of power. The perils of liberal ideology amid a crisis of capitalism.

The march to remilitarization across Europe has everything to do with elites vibing on nationalist sentiments and exploiting Ukraine’s plight to paper over swelling domestic legitimacy problems associated with moribund economies and once solid welfare states turning to papier-mâché.” -- yep.🎯

I think Munich 2025 was the moment I realized just how absurd and disappointing things are gonna get.

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Opening myself to accusasions of being unserious, but I would say that Western European analyst can rightly see stronger needs than impleid by "Outside of Baltic nations in Russia’s shadow, no serious security analysis justifies a European bid to remilitarize at the expense of its publics."

So obvious point, but applying here, the European Union, seperate from NATO obligations, has a mutual defence clause under the Lisbon treaty.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/mutual-defence-clause.html

At the expense of its publics is doing a lot of the work here and being smart about it, rationalizing spending across borders, and keeping a range of important competing national objectives in mind is all essential. European nations are facing real budgetary stresses, made worse by the challenges of attempting to rapidly reduce reliance on the U.S.

You might be right about this specific project, not my area of expertise. However, a larger tradeoff raised in the non-offensive defense piece you linked is that "Under current tensions, the priority should be to set aside nationalisms, pool resources, and form a truly integrated European army, working within EU institutions, ideally “borrowing” NATO’s existing infrastructure."

France and Germany talking over these issues is worthwhile and Europe should seek to figure out these problems collectively. But extended deterrence is an example of France working towards integration. As you highlight, deterrance is hard and best used to buy time to ameliorate underlying conditions. But military integration, industrial integration, and non-offensive defense are all challenging as well.

Small countries have not regularly been victimized by larger neighboring polities largely because of dumb or provactive behavior on the part of those small countries but because this is hard and peopel are going to argue and disagree in good faith.

For example, turning to the closing of the piece by Lutz Unterseher that you published:

"What about responding to nuclear threats? Since the American deterrent is not guaranteed to be available to Europe, attention turns to France. Its nuclear “minimum deterrent” is sufficient for stability—serving as an ultimate insurance policy, not as a provocative means of nuclear warfighting. Paris has already signaled that it might be willing to “Europeanize” its strategic capability. That is good enough for our period of transition."

It's perfectly reasonable to disagree about that and Unterseher was arguing against remilitarization writ large. But relying on nuclear deterrance as a way to avoid conventional miltiary spending is a trade off that goes back to Eisenhower so if extended deterrance is a bad idea then it's not surprising that non-nuclear European powers would turn more to new conventional programs.

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